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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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yawn and yet ANOTHER
www.evolutionmanagementsystems.com/about-us
eVOLUTION MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS
these gangs make the CLONING of Dolly look amateurish - baaaaaa
NOT too original though - apparently too lazy to do more work than they have to!!
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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KEN SONNENBERG ~tah dah~ NOW branching out into a REAL ESTATE *COACHING* WEBSITE ... which looks an awfully lot like the OLD *Online Business Coaching Websites* (LOL just substitute *REAL ESTATE* at all the appropriate places!!)
www.prweb.com/releases/2011/5/prweb8453129.htm
Applyre.com
guess it's called APPLY REAL ESTATE?! or some such thing
"The Coaching Department was established by experienced entrepreneurs to provide an educational platform to businesses and individuals throughout the world. Our goal is to not only teach you the principles of successful real estate investing, but also to empower you to apply what we teach so that you can build and grow your own profitable real estate empire. "
~vs~
"The Coaching Department was established by experienced online entrepreneurs to provide an educational platform to businesses and individuals throughout the world. Our goal is to not only teach you the principles of successful e-commerce, but also to empower you to apply what we teach so that you can build and grow your own profitable online business. "
is this like a ~can you spot the differences~ game?!
or maybe substitute KEN SONNENBERG for ~Where's Waldo~!!
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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GLOBAL EDUCATION INC.
www.globaleducationinc.com/contact-us
FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, KEN SONNENBERG
this ~one~ out of Palm Desert, CA
... same old same old WEBSITE ... like an echo in the Grand Canyon
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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KEN SONNENBERG and his gang ~taking it to a NEW LEVEL~
www.judyblueeyes.com/the-coaching-department-announces-the-release-of-new-educational-packages-and-marketing-services.html
giving NASA a run for their money (snark)
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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uh NOT exactly sure if this ~PR~ write-up came out quite as attended?!
neweducationalgaming.com/educational-games/ken-sonnenberg-internet-business-man-donates-his-time-to-local-scout-troop/
was it a *Boy Scout Troop*
a GIRL
or a *local DIRECTOR COUPLE*
?!?! this just keeps getting more & more bizarre
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 15, 2012
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THE ELITE LEARNING ACADEMY
www.theelitelearningacademy.com/about-us
SOLARIUM ENTERPRISES
www.solariument.com/about-us
ACCOMPLISH LEARNING GROUP (listed as Murray, UT)
www.accomplishlearninggroup.com/about-us
CUSTOMER CHOICE TRAINING CENTER (Tempe, AZ)
www.customerchoicetrainingonline.com/about-us
RESULTS NV (Las Vegas)
www.theresultsnv.com/about-us
EPIC WEALTH BUILDING
www.epicwealthbuilding.com/about-us
REVEEL INTERNATIONAL (Idaho Falls, ID)
www.reveelintl.com/about-us
eSOLUTIONS COACHING
www.esolutionscoaching.com/contact-us
IMG INTERNATIONAL (Sandy, UT)
www.imginternationalbiz.com/about-us
ASPIRE MARKETING SOLUTIONS (Lehi, UT)
www.amscoaching.com/about-us
GLOBAL KNOWLEDGE GROUP (Lehi, UT)
www.mygkg.com/about-us
ALL THE ABOVE *COMPANY(ies)* was(were) FOUNDED by (President) KEN SONNENBERG
all the SAME CLONED WEBSITE
all THESE in addition to eVERTEX SOLUTIONS, APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE, ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS, and THE COACHING DEPARTMENT
and there are no doubt even MORE to emerge!!
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 16, 2012
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WHY is KEN SONNENBERG *RE-REGISTURING* eVERTEX SOLUTIONS (2/9/2012) when the Better Business Bureau has given it an F RATING?!
https://secure.utah.gov/bes/action/details?entity=4899048-0160
EVERTEX SOLUTIONS, LLC
Entity Number: 4899048-0160
Company Type: LLC - Domestic
Address: 1352 W 1980 N PROVO, UT 84604
State of Origin:
Registered Agent: KEN SONNENBERG
Registered Agent Address:
1352 W 1980 N PROVO UT 84604
Status: Active
Status: Active as of 06/22/2006
Renew By: 03/29/2013
Status Description: Good Standing
Employment Verification: Not Registered with Verify Utah
History
Registration Date: 03/29/2001
Last Renewed: 02/09/2012
www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/computer-software-services/evertex-solutions-in-orem-ut-22232617
eVERTEX SOLUTIONS = APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE = ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS = THE COACHING DEPARTMENT = ALMOST 80 *OTHER* NAMES = ALL ONE & THE SAME
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FIAD Services
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Feb 16, 2012
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We have done a background report on Apply Knowledge Institute and other known accomplices (see below link) PLEASE LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD OR UPDATE ANYTHING! Please note report consists of previous client feedback who have previously done business with Apply Knowledge Institute.
BACKGROUND REPORT Apply Knowledge Institute - http://fiadservices.com/company-list/reported-large-scale-scam-list/apply-knowledge-institute-scams/
FIAD Card Services (please visit our website, www.FIADservices.com ). We definitely can be of help if you have not yet received a full refund. We have no upfront fees and work on a contingency basis. We only need you to answer a few questions to confirm we can help. PLEASE NOTE- The original purchase date must be within the past 24 months.
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FIAD Services
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Feb 16, 2012
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We have done a background report on Apply Knowledge Institute and other known accomplices (see below link) PLEASE LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO ADD OR UPDATE ANYTHING! Please note report consists of previous client feedback who have previously done business with Apply Knowledge Institute.
BACKGROUND REPORT Apply Knowledge Institute - http://fiadservices.com/company-list/reported-large-scale-scam-list/apply-knowledge-institute-scams/
FIAD Card Services (please visit our website, www.FIADservices.com ). We definitely can be of help if you have not yet received a full refund. We have no upfront fees and work on a contingency basis. We only need you to answer a few questions to confirm we can help. PLEASE NOTE- The original purchase date must be within the past 24 months.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 17, 2012
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don't know if the comment from FIAD Card Services was deleted for whatever reasons (got a Notification that they had commented on THIS article)
BUT a word of CAUTION: be sure you know who you are dealing with!!
apparently there are *Businesses* claiming to be able to "get you a refund from such & such company which ripped you off in the first place"!! It is coming out that many of these *Businesses* are in fact ~in bed with each other!!
do not know if FIAD Card Services is legit or just another con trying to pick your pocket?!
however from a very quick & BRIEF google - it looks like they at least do NOT charge you any upfront fees
BUT AGAIN IF ANYONE OUT THERE WANTS TO FURTHER PURSUE REFUNDS ... DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE *CONTRACTING* WITH YET ANOTHER ONLINE COMPANY!!!
fiadservices.com/company-list/reported-large-scale-scam-list/apply-knowledge-institute-scams/
they do have some additional info on APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE and ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS plus OTHER *NAMES* of these SAME *BUSINESSES*
you can also do a search for FIAD Card Services here on the Complaints Board
... am STILL researching, investigating, and gathering info on KEN SONNENBERG (& Cohorts) and all his trail of DBAs (doing business as!!) glut of *Companies*
will post a FULL Complaint/Review Write-up SOON which will detail FEDERAL & STATE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO CONTACT as well as CONTACTS for several National, International, and LOCAL INVESTIGATIVE NEWS AGENCIES, Reporters, Publications, Groups, and Individuals
Sadly by the time most folks finally ~find~ the Complaint Boards (and RipOff Reports), they've already been taken for a ride. Further, for everyone who posts, it is estimated that there are at least 100+ "Lurkers" (in these cases maybe even MORE) who read (& suffer) in silence. Everyone needs to give voice to and bear witness to THEIR experiences with these outfits ... because they will continue to *THRIVE* in the naivete and "trusting nature" of folks who are simply looking for an HONEST Entity to deal with. AND they need to be EXPOSED to the light of day!!! There is strength in numbers.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 17, 2012
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WELL there is ~NO~ FIAD SERVICES or FIAD CARD SERVICES listed with the Better Business Bureau ANYWHERE - let alone in Pompano Beach, FL?!?
The IP ADDRESS 216.172.164.52 (for FIADservices.com which was created 02 Sept. 2011) goes back to some business out of HOUSTON, TX!! Actually it goes back to apparently SEVERAL DOMAIN NAMES in Houston, TX ... which interestingly enough eventually goes back to a Company in Kirkland, WA.
Would be interested to know IF FIAD CARD SERVICES was actually legit or not?
First thought was that it might very well be a (Telemarketer) COMPETITOR of ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS aka APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE. Especially since it is supposedly out of Florida - which ALSO has numerous TELEMARKETING SCAMS operating, like the ones in Utah! (would hate to think that perhaps it takes a con artist to squeeze a refund out of another con artist!!)
The OTHER thought was that it was one of those *Spin Off ENTITIES* which are in reality merely *the other side of the SAME bad coin*!! They OFFER to get your money back for a % of the refund. BUT usually it's for less than the full amount and then they take up to 40-60% of that ... so bottom line - the *Business which ripped you off in the first place* ends up with say 80-90% of YOUR ORIGINAL INVESTMENT. BUT it gets YOU (the disgruntled victim) off their backs. And usually no one is the wiser - that you were actually "taken in by one & the SAME gang of scammers".
Alas, there is so much dishonesty out there that even the most cautious of consumers are sometimes fooled. SO SPEAK UP. SPEAK OUT. Tell your friends, your family, your elderly neighbors ... tell EVERYONE about THESE OUTFITS ... which in particular prey on seniors, the disabled, the financially distressed, and those who are not very skilled on the computer. Indeed, "THE QUALIFICATIONS TO ENROLL IN THEIR EXCLUSIVE PROGRAMS" is the fact that you can breath and that you have enough CREDIT left to pay!!!
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 18, 2012
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Here is some additional info from the FTC "Steps Up Efforts Against Scams That Target Financially-Strapped Consumers" called OPERATION EMPTY PROMISES!!
www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/03/emptypromises.shtm
Notice they ALSO address REFUND RECOVERY *Businesses*.
AGAIN BE CAREFUL OF WHO YOU DO BUSINESS WITH!!
If you have had ANY dealings or experiences with ANY TELEMARKETER or a *Business* which has left you deeper in debt than when you started with them, PLEASE CONTACT THE FTC - in addition to your State Attorney General's Office AND the Attorney General's Office in whatever State the *Business* is located.
In the case of ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS (aka APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE) that would be UTAH.
http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/against_fraud.html
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 18, 2012
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another web address for THE COACHING DEPARTMENT!!
www.applydw.com/about-us.aspx
wonder what *d*w* stands for -- dead weight, data warehouse, dim wit
oh another for THE COACHING DEPARTMENT = www.applygc.com/about-us
*g*c* anyone? golf course, global consulting, grand cayman, ground control
guess it's a *mystery*
Founder and Pres, KEN SONNENBERG
google "Ken Sonnenberg, owns multiple successful online business of his own"
for a list of (a few of) those *ONLINE business(es)*
can you spot the MISSPELLED WORD?! LOL
well no one said these guys are brainiacs ... busy little bees tho ... original NOT
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 18, 2012
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here's a very interesting one of KEN SONNENBERG's *successful* online businesses
www.evolutionmanagementsystems.com/about-us
here's where it gets interesting www.ems-one.com/
www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/training-program-companies/evolution-management-systems-in-sandy-ut-22012458
but cute little logo
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 18, 2012
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So who is "the Sales Floor" for ADVANCED LEARNING SYSTEMS - APPLY KNOWLEDGE INSTITUTE??
Or are they skipping the middlemen and keeping it all in house to maximize profits for the upper echelon?!
C'mon - there must be more ex-employees out there who got burnt and are not afraid to share their stories ... "like *coaches* are only limited to 20 minutes per session per customer" and if they go over too many times - they're fired!! It's all starting to make sense as to why there are never any call backs, AND once the Sales Floor gets your money - you're handed off to overworked and underpaid *coaches* making minimum wages at best & are paid COMMISSIONS when they manage to talk you into "buying up"!! (as in additional services)
AND that the vast majority of people who are *accepted into THESE programs* (or actually TARGETED) should NOT have been - since it takes at least a certain amount of basic computer knowledge in the first place!!
omg it's like peeling off the layers of an onion - but in this case - the onion has been left in the sack too long. ewwwww
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Heyes
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Feb 19, 2012
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I received one coaching call at a designated time from 'Nate'. He was to call every Tuesday morning at 10 am. I heard from him once only.
Anne Heyes
Canada
[email protected]
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 19, 2012
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Anne,
You are DEFINITELY NOT ALONE!!
I messaged you some thoughts and ideas. Seriously consider going live local!! Hey what have you got to lose?! Can't hurt!!
You go girl :) stomp on some slimely slugs - they hate sunlight remember. lol they shrivel up and melt. really ewwwwy
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 22, 2012
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here is a Website which lists several Agencies and Organizations to FILE COMPLAINTS WITH -
including in CANADA and the UK
(and several CREATIVE IDEAS - such as your local news stations or in some areas CALL FOR ACTION ... more on these later)
http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/governments.php
Canada
Better Business Bureau
Industry Canada Consumer Connection (Scams)
Phone Busters (Telemarketing Complaints)
Some of the various links don't seem to work - BUT if you type the NAME of the AGENCY in your browser - you can go to their sites.
Anyway it gives a good overview of places to go to FILE COMPLAINTS ... and it is NEVER too late to file against ANY *Business* which has scammed you!! The various agencies use a central data base to look for connections, and since these kinds of outfits change their names & addresses so often, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT - so that it can be logged into their system AND TRACKED.
Remember, these vipers are counting on YOU, their victims, to give up and go away!!
DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!
And although you may think that the Better Business Bureau might not be very effective, actually several OTHER AGENCIES regularly review their site for leads, and may very well decide to act based on the number of BBB COMPLAINTS RECEIVED against a certain Entity!!
So if you've found your way to the Complaints Board (or RipOff Reports or Scam.com or any of the other Review Sites) - you are more than capable of following up with a COMPLAINT to ANY or ALL of THE LISTED AGENCIES & ORGANIZATIONS on the CONSUMER FRAUD REPORTING Website. CALL THEM or file online or even by fax!! Don't let inertia or indecision defeat you. STAND UP TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 24, 2012
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here is a Website which lists several Agencies and Organizations to FILE COMPLAINTS WITH -
including in CANADA and the UK
(and several CREATIVE IDEAS - such as your local news stations or in some areas CALL FOR ACTION ... more on these later)
www.consumerfraudreporting.org/governments.php
Canada
Better Business Bureau
Industry Canada Consumer Connection (Scams)
Phone Busters (Telemarketing Complaints)
Some of the various links don't seem to work - BUT if you type the NAME of the AGENCY in your browser - you can go to their sites.
Anyway it gives a good overview of places to go to FILE COMPLAINTS ... and it is NEVER too late to file against ANY *Business* which has scammed you!! The various agencies use a central data base to look for connections, and since these kinds of outfits change their names & addresses so often, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT - so that it can be logged into their system AND TRACKED.
Remember, these vipers are counting on YOU, their victims, to give up and go away!!
DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!
And although you may think that the Better Business Bureau might not be too effective, actually several OTHER AGENCIES regularly review & monitor their site for leads, and may very well decide to act based on the number of BBB COMPLAINTS RECEIVED against a certain Entity!!
So if you've found your way to the Complaints Board (or RipOff Reports or Scam.com or any of the other Review Sites) - you are more than capable of following up with a COMPLAINT to ANY or ALL of THE LISTED AGENCIES & ORGANIZATIONS on the CONSUMER FRAUD REPORTING Website. CALL THEM or file online or even by fax!! Don't let inertia or indecision defeat you. STAND UP TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 24, 2012
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here is a Website which lists several Agencies and Organizations to FILE COMPLAINTS WITH -
including in CANADA and the UK
(and several CREATIVE IDEAS - such as your local news stations or in some areas CALL FOR ACTION ... more on these later)
www.consumerfraudreporting.org/governments.php
Canada:
Better Business Bureau
Industry Canada Consumer Connection (Scams)
Phone Busters (Telemarketing Complaints)
Some of the various links don't seem to be working - BUT if you type the NAME of the AGENCY in your browser - you can go to their sites.
Anyway it gives a good overview of places to go to FILE COMPLAINTS ... and it is NEVER too late to file against ANY *Business* which has scammed you!! The various agencies use a central data base to look for connections, and since these kinds of outfits change their names & addresses so often, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT - so that it can be logged into their system AND TRACKED.
Remember, these vipers are counting on YOU, their victims, to give up and go away!!
DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!
And although you may think that the Better Business Bureau might not be as effective, actually several OTHER AGENCIES regularly review & monitor their site for leads, and may very well decide to act based on the number of BBB COMPLAINTS RECEIVED against a certain Entity!!
So if you've found your way to the Complaints Board (or ripOff reports or scam.com or any of the other Review Sites) - you are more than capable of following up with a COMPLAINT to ANY or ALL of THE LISTED AGENCIES & ORGANIZATIONS on the CONSUMER FRAUD REPORTING Website. CALL THEM or file online or even by fax!! Don't let inertia or indecision defeat you. STAND UP TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 25, 2012
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Anne,
have been trying to post these agencies in Canada to file complaints with!!
CANADA:
Better Business Bureau www.bbb.org/canada/
Industry Canada Office of Consumer Affairs www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/oca-bc.nsf/eng/ca00528.html
Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre/Phone Busters www.antifraudcentre.ca
Canadian Agencies and Operations Dealing with Schemes, Scams, & Fraud
www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/laws/canada/agencies.htm
also the CARP has a fraud division www.carp.ca/tag/fraud/page/2/
please know that you are not alone
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 25, 2012
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here is a Website which lists several Agencies and Organizations to FILE COMPLAINTS WITH -
including in CANADA and the UK
(and several CREATIVE IDEAS - such as your local news stations or in some areas CALL FOR ACTION ... more on these later)
www.consumerfraudreporting.org/governments.php
Canada:
Better Business Bureau
Industry Canada Consumer Connection (Scams)
Phone Busters (Telemarketing Complaints)
Some of the various links don't seem to be currently working - BUT if you type the NAME of the AGENCY in your browser - you can go to their sites.
Anyway it gives a good overview of places to go to FILE COMPLAINTS ... and it is NEVER too late to file against ANY *Business* which has scammed you!! The various agencies use a central data base to look for connections, and since these kinds of outfits change their names & addresses so often, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT - so that it can be logged into their system AND TRACKED.
Remember, these vipers are counting on YOU, their victims, to give up and go away!!
DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!!!
And although you may think that the Better Business Bureau might not be as effective, actually several OTHER AGENCIES regularly review & monitor their site for leads, and may very well decide to act based on the number of BBB COMPLAINTS RECEIVED against a certain Entity!!
So if you've found your way to the Complaints Board (or any of the several other Review Sites) - you are more than capable of following up with a COMPLAINT to ANY or ALL of THE LISTED AGENCIES & ORGANIZATIONS on the CONSUMER FRAUD REPORTING Website. CALL THEM or file online or even by fax!! Don't let inertia or indecision defeat you. STAND UP TO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 25, 2012
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Yet more intriguing info on THESE TYPES OF OUTFITS ... there is some (as yet unconfirmed) evidence that the addresses may not even be correct - in that they may only be convenient and/or cheapo locations, or in other words FRONTS for the real places of business, which may be a few doors down or a couple of buildings over, etc!!
BECAUSE the last thing THESE TYPES OF OUTFITS want is someone actually finding their ACTUAL places of business.
The next challenge is that in order to file a CLASS ACTION SUIT - the amounts charged have to be the same. Have you ever noticed AND wondered why everyone seems to be charged different amounts for the same NON/services?! Aside from the fact that the schemers are very good at first determining "How much the market will bear" = translation "HOW MUCH CREDIT YOU HAVE LEFT" ... they are very careful to deliberately charge DIFFERENT AMOUNTS, in order to avoid class action law suits!!
So here's a thought (outside the box) ... rather than spend "what money you have left" hiring an attorney - why not use it to hire a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR instead?! (Utah DOES require that Private Investigators be licensed and there are several listed in the Orem/Provo area - compliments of google)
What is the old adage? A picture is worth a thousand words.
... and if perchance a video happens to find its way to say YouTube & goes viral = priceless
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 25, 2012
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SOUND ALL TOO FAMILAR?!
"I lost my job unexpectedly and went home devastated wondering what I would do now. I saw a e-mail promoting "earn $300/day from home" Even though I knew it was probably too good to be true, being desperate, I ordered the program for $97.00.
As I was going through the information to get started, there was a large box - "Get your one-time free coaching session to get started." I thought it was part of the program and seemed like a good idea since I am completely new at the Internet marketing business. The first person told me I could sign up for coaching sessions if they could determine that I was a good candidate for their course. He asked me a number of questions and using some clever techniques, which I should have recognized if I had not been in such a clouded upset frame of mind over the loss of my job, he managed to get me to give him the amount of credit I had available on my credit cards. He did not ask for numbers, so it seemed harmless to give him that information.
Then, he passed me onto "his boss" to see if I qualified and was driven enough to be "included" in their coaching program. From there it was a very slick, hard sell to get me to sign up for the program.
In hindsight, it is clear that the idea was to lead me (and anyone desperate enough) down "a path of commitment and consistency that would provide financial stability" - exactly what someone in my situation wanted.
When I told them that there was no way that I could afford to buy anything, the man manipulated me into believing that I could "because I could charge the amount with no worries and would be able to pay off the total in just a couple of months through my earnings" (his words). He sounded smart and trustworthy and I bought his promises. He was so good that even though I know better, I fell for the pitch.
I made the horrible mistake of agreeing to pay $7500 for the course, which I thought would put me back on a road of financial stability.
In retrospect, when I think about the course they sold me, I now realize that it was very loosely defined. I should NEVER had moved forward without getting a much clearer picture of what I was paying for - in writing. This man was VERY GOOD at what he did.
I am sick at heart wondering how many other unsuspecting, desperate people he has managed to hook. After doing some research on this, it seems that they charge whatever they think the person's credit card will allow. It could be $4, 000, $6, 500, $8, 500. It is simply a sales scam that takes advantage of desperate people who have the credit to pay for empty promises.
Since signing up, I have received three other "coaching" phone calls to upsell me on Legal Services, Tax Services and Dropshipping Services - all between $1, 000 - $2, 000 each - and all connected directly to the same company, even though they have different names.
Now - here is the worst part. For all that money, I have received practically nothing! I have had a total of four 1/2 hour coaching sessions that provided very little information of value.
The first coach seemed like a nice young man, who was so busy snowboarding that he was difficult to schedule - and when he did manage to schedule an appointment, he was late every time. AND - gave me nothing of value.
Basically the coaching conversation had two parts: Watch the videos online about "Choosing a Niche Market" and "Researching Demand and Competition" - information that I can find on the Internet either free or for a small monthly fee. He offered no step-by-step process to follow, not even a checklist of what to do - or pitfalls to avoid. He also gave me inaccurate information about obtaining and EIN and Reseller's license that cost me almost $200 - money that I did not have to spend, plus the licenses that I obtained cannot be used because I decided to go with an LLC rather than a sole proprietor.
The second part of his coaching was to watch the video on "How to Sell on EBay"which would help me make some quick money. I already had people in my life who knew how to do that.
After struggling with him for three weeks, I complained and was given another coach, who was also NOT helpful - and then another - and the results have been essentially the same. At this point (5 weeks later), I still have not received any materials to help me start my business.
Because I was not receiving anything as promised - except for completely useless coaching sessions, I decided to research Internet marketing training programs online. I have found two, and one in particular, that are legitimate and extremely helpful - for a fraction of the cost. The one I have chosen gives me everything I need - including step-by-step processes to use depending on which type of Internet marketing I want to pursue and all the tools that I need to make each one of them happen - plus actual useful coaching.
The difference between the company I am now using and the complete fraudulent company discussed in this memo is staggering! I would have to work with my current training program for 10+ years to spend the kind of money that I gave in one lump sum to the scam masters at A Coaching Department/Premier Mentoring."
QUESTION: Do ALL THESE OUTFITS have the SAME SPIEL SHEET or what!? Is there like an "Online Business Opportunity Schemer's 101 Class" offered in Utah?! Or are they just being opportunistic because a) the Orem/Provo/whole West Valley area has LOTS of poor college students, who are desperate for jobs and b) if they aren't exactly apple genius bar material for their "Coaching Departments" - they can fill the needed telemarketing boiler-rooms positions :(
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mrs.scamvictim
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Feb 25, 2012
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fyi - the above was NOT from RORs!! It was freely posted on SEVERAL complaint sites by the OP
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